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A mystery man approaches Spike to claim responsibility for making him corporeal and offers to guide him in his quest to overthrow Angel.
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[00:00:01] Speaker A: Welcome to Investigating angel, an angel rewatch.
[00:00:04] Speaker B: Podcast where we analyze each episode of angel the series with no spoilers. We are your hosts, Leia and Sarah.
[00:00:11] Speaker A: And if you love angel, this is the podcast for you foreign.
Hey, guys. Welcome back to Investigating Angel. Today we're Talking about Season 5, Episode 10, Sole Purpose, written by Brent Fletcher and Elizabeth Craft. Oh, she's with. She's partnered with someone new this year.
This is new. Whoa.
Brent Fletcher. This is his first credited writing role. He later goes on to write for agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and for Superman and Lois, and he also will write for, like, one episode for Lost, which I haven't seen. I've seen that show once, and I haven't seen it in a while, but he wrote the episode or the season one episode numbers, which I don't remember a ton about that show, but I do remember that episode, so well done, Brent Fletcher. This is the first episode he ever wrote. It's also directed by. I don't know if you'll recognize his name, but David Boreanis.
[00:01:28] Speaker B: Oh, who's that?
Who is that?
[00:01:31] Speaker A: Yeah, no clue. Up and coming director, maybe?
[00:01:35] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:01:36] Speaker A: I wonder if have a really long and prolific career on television.
[00:01:39] Speaker B: Nah, he's never working again.
[00:01:44] Speaker A: Completely talentless. Absolutely unbearable. Yeah. No vision. And then it aired January 21, 2004. This is David Boreanaz's directorial debut, and David Boreanas had just received reconstructive surgery on his knee, which we had talked a little bit about last episode, which is why angel spends so much of this episode immobilized in bed, and is why this episode kind of focuses on a lot of the other characters, specifically Spike and Lindsay and, well, Doyle. We don't know that it's Lindsay, but we know that it's Lindsay.
This episode is supposed to deliberately parallel angel storyline in the season one premiere, city of which I personally felt like was the most interesting part of the episode. How Lindsay slash Doyle is manipulating Spike and how it's working really well to undermine Angel's feelings. And how Spike is over here. Like, I won't say completely buying into it, but very much buying into it at a. Like, because he wants to take over Angel's job, which we'll get over. We'll talk about.
We have the dream sequences in this episode, which I think are supposed to kind of be a Buffy verse staple and kind of call us back to Restless and a lot of the other stuff that Buffy does, which I don't think they do it as well as they do on Buffy, which we'll talk About. But apparently according to David Boreanis, which I don't know anything about film and I'd be very curious to know if there's anybody out there who cannot, who can like kind of translate this for me. But the dream sequences that the scenes were filmed at high speed and then slowed down again in post production. And David Boreana says it's pretty introspective of what's going on in Angel's mind. It's more of his perspective of what's going on. We don't know what's real and what's not. The scene in which Fred, with the help of a bear, performs surgery on angel is done with a prosthetic torso. Amy Acker says that that scene was her personal highlight of the season.
[00:03:46] Speaker B: Whoa.
[00:03:47] Speaker A: Which if you know what's to come, I'm like, why that? Why that? But maybe just because it's so ridiculous. So I again don't know anything about filming and stuff. But I'm curious what effect that would do to film something at high speed and then slow it down in post production. I wonder how it translate because I didn't notice anything different when I was watching it.
So I don't know if there's some film buff out there who can tell me.
In an interview with Sci Fi Weekly, David Boreana says some of his original ideas for this episode needed to be toned down by executive producer Jeffrey Bell. He says, I had to remind myself that I'm shooting an angel show and not this crazy cinematic switch, swooping thing. Although producer Kelly eight Manners really allowed me the opportunity to do some things a first time director wouldn't normally be allowed to do. Of the directing experience, David Boreana says, I've always been fascinated with the camera and the movement and communicating with other actors. Directing is really about telling someone to put applesauce on the table. And some people know how to do it and some people don't. Okay, so I love, I love you.
So glad you get it.
[00:04:50] Speaker B: I get it. Like he's saying you're telling somebody to do something mundane and some people know how to do it in a way that translates on camera and some people don't. That's what I got from that.
[00:05:00] Speaker A: No, I, I think that's my applesauce.
[00:05:02] Speaker B: Does she like applesauce?
[00:05:05] Speaker A: Every quote I have of David Boreanis, I found quite a few. It really is a riddle. And that's where we get his Instagram captions from.
[00:05:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:17] Speaker A: But I've been looking up his like quotes and stuff and to be honest, like I try really hard when I'm going through because sometimes I get a lot of material and I have to go, okay, is this pertinent? And I'm not always, like, sometimes I definitely do, like, start to say it on the podcast. I'm like, why did I write this down? This wasn't as important as I thought it was. But I can tell you, like, there's a lot of stuff that I go through. And I'm like, oh, a David Borealis quote. And I go, this. No, this makes no sense. It adds nothing to the episode. I don't think this man knows where he was, what he was talking about, what happened that day. Like, and so all of the behind the scenes stuff that I'm like, are all of the quotes I have for him for this episode. I'm like, man, this tells me nothing.
[00:05:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it makes sense in his mind, but then when he says it out loud, I'm just like, but.
[00:06:01] Speaker A: It really is a riddle. A riddle is the perfect way to put.
[00:06:04] Speaker B: It's a riddle. It's like we're reading one of Giles's books and we have to decipher. We have to translate from the demon language to the human language, except we.
[00:06:12] Speaker A: Don'T have a Giles to do it, so it's just us.
[00:06:14] Speaker B: And we don't have a decryptor codex of the.
[00:06:18] Speaker A: All we can do is look at his Instagram and try to, like, look for commonalities and stuff.
[00:06:24] Speaker B: There is no eagles in his quotes, right?
[00:06:30] Speaker A: Eagle emoji. Eagle emoji. Which is funny because here's the next quote, and I think. I think the guy's very nicely and a little bit more.
I don't know, he's. He's say. He's basically saying what you and I are saying. So. So Adam Ward, the first assistant focus puller, says that although David Boreanas, and it says in quotes, didn't have the cinematographer's vernacular, he was able to accurately. He was able to accurately describe how he wanted the scenes to look to director of photography Ross Berryman, doing a phenomenal job for his directorial debut. So David was like, put the camera here, put the applesauce on the table. The applesauce. And put the camera really close in. That's what I want, you know what?
[00:07:13] Speaker B: And good for him, honestly.
[00:07:15] Speaker A: Yeah. For doing something that clearly was not.
[00:07:18] Speaker B: Out of his comfort zone, but something he was interested in. And that just like, it reminds me of when he talks about his first day on set of Buffy and how he walked in and he was terrified. And he's like. I think he said they were doing, like, a fight sequence and then they had to break it down. And, like, Sarah was there, and he was just, like, in awe of everything and just trying to keep his cool.
[00:07:38] Speaker A: Cool.
[00:07:39] Speaker B: And I think recently he also talked about how he thanked the director of that episode who, like, really walked him through those first scenes because he just had no idea what he was doing. But, like, look at him now, you know?
[00:07:53] Speaker A: Right, Right.
[00:07:53] Speaker B: So he seems like the type of guy to just, like, throw himself in. Totally just do it. Which is amazing.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: Right? Which I think you, like, you have to do in life. Like, you constantly have to be doing things that scary, scare you, that are out of your comfort zone. And I think sometimes we. And we've talked about this, we hold ourselves back too much because we're afraid of looking foolish and dumb and insecure. And I think we end up missing out a lot because of that. So, yeah, good for him. It's just. There's another quote later from him that I was like, what are you saying, man? Use less words.
You don't need to use all of that. But we love him. It's just so funny. My gosh.
So this episode continues Angel's ongoing frustration with the shades of gray that his life has become, while also continuing his feelings of being irrelevant and overshadowed by Spike. It's entertaining. And this is where we, like, kind of talk a little bit about how we feel about the episode. This. This episode is so disappointing to me because it's not that deep. I kept looking for more, but there just isn't much there like it. And we were talking about it before we started recording. It doesn't really tell us anything that we didn't know beforehand. It's just more of the same. And while it's important stuff, I feel like. Like, let's move on. I feel like the Lindsay and Spike stuff was important, but I feel like we could have put that in an earlier episode and done something more with this one, you know? Yeah. I don't know. What did you think about the episode?
[00:09:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I feel similarly. I feel like all of the things that we found out about angel are things that we've already known. Like, it's stuff that you would assume based on watching Destiny and, like, every episode before that. So this just seemed like they were taking those assumptions that we're supposed to make and putting them on the screen. And I think the way that the episode is constructed, it very much gave me restless vibes, but it didn't have that.
[00:09:52] Speaker A: I think that's their Restless.
[00:09:54] Speaker B: You know, like, it just didn't have that depth or, like, the messaging or. It wasn't subtle like Restless was. Because I feel like Restless was very subtle in what it was doing, but also very different, even though I haven't watched it in a really long time. So I don't know. You. You did.
[00:10:10] Speaker A: No. Yeah. You were right.
[00:10:11] Speaker B: Yeah. But I just feel like this episode was just a classic. Like, you know, look at the obvious. Like, here's a scene to show us what Angel's thinking. And obviously this is, you know, like, it just wasn't. Was entertaining. It was fine. It's. It wasn't like, my favorite episode.
I think so far this has probably been my least favorite episode to watch. But that's not to say that it was like, a terrible episode. It was just like, meh, I could have taken it. Or like, I could take it or leave it.
The Spike stuff with Lindsay is probably the most new thing that we're seeing. But I agree with you that they could have done a completely different plot of the episode, like another Monster of the Week type of thing, and then had the Spike stuff going on in the background, and it would have still done the same exact thing.
[00:11:05] Speaker A: Yeah, I totally agree.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
So critically touched sums it up well with comparisons to Buffy's dream sequences. Restless, probably. He says enigmatic dream sequences are tricky narrative devices. If handled well, they can impart information to the viewer subtly and informally without actually spoiling any future developments of the series. More cleverly, they can give us a glimpse into the mind of the dreamer, providing us with a rich milieu of suppressed thoughts and unspoken desires, drawing upon the character's past experiences without actually invoking them. If not handled well, they can serve as convenient plot devices for the writers to unburden some information while sidestepping the need for actual exposition. Or. Or in the worst of cases, they can just come off as muddled psychobabble. Buffy successfully wildly, or Buffy succeeded wildly at creating a dream sequence episode with the ingeniously crafted Restless. The episode worked not only due to the way in which it quietly laid groundwork for several of the developments that later seasons would herald, but it because it immersed its characters in a vivid, dreamlike reality so tangible within its extremities that watching it felt like an otherworldly experience. Although very little of the episode featured the real world characters interacting with one another, their subconscious conversations spoke immeasurable volumes. Sole purpose doesn't have nearly the same depth or ingenuity that Restless did, though in its defense, what does? Its dream sequences are lucid and more concrete, which means the goings on are not as immersive, but which give them a sense of likability and fun. Angel's dreams are pretty amusing to watch as they throw a refreshing light on some rather dark material. The problem is that they don't tell us much of anything that we don't already know about him. And I really do agree with that. I feel like they nailed it perfectly when they talk about how it can serve as a convenient plot device for the writers to unburden information. And I feel like that's what was happening here.
It's just, it's a bummer because.
And I feel like people are going to be so confused. Confused because like, we love episodes that are very angel centric because they tend to be the Meteor episodes. But the thing is that again, this episode doesn't tell us anything new about angel. But on top of that, it doesn't tell us anything new about Frank, Fred, Gunn, Wesley or Lauren. And it's so frustrating because there was moments that he, like angel, had a. A moment with each of the characters except for Gun. And yet we didn't learn anything about them. Like it was still a reflection back to what angel was thinking and feeling. And yet they were all telling us the exact same thing about him. And I don't know, it's just, it's so frustrating. And that's something that we've been talking about a lot about on our Discord is this season we're losing a lot of the ensembleness of the series.
We've had a Wesley centered episode and we've had a Spike centered episode and a couple of angel ones and I guess technically a Lauren centered episode. But none of these have really told us anything new. And I know season five is them trying to re establish these characters and at this point they don't realize that the series is going to be canceled. And I'm sure they would have reframed things differently, but I'm just kind of like where. But to be honest, like I said.
[00:14:15] Speaker B: In the Discord too, I. I feel like ever since the back end of season three, like we haven't really gotten much focus on yeah. The other characters. And obviously like yes, we, we got a little bit more in season four with the Fred and Gun and professor stuff.
[00:14:32] Speaker A: But then that was done.
[00:14:33] Speaker B: But then that was done. There was nothing happening with Lorne, There was stuff happening with Wesley in season four and then the stuff happening with angel had to do with, like, very specific things. Gunn and Fred were pretty much just the couple who broke up, and they were just in the background being supporting characters, you know, and so is Lauren. So it doesn't feel that bizarre to me because I feel like this has been the norm for quite a while.
[00:15:04] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fair.
[00:15:05] Speaker B: So, yeah.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: Yeah. I think I just was expecting there to be a little bit more in season five. Is it? It was kind of supposed to be a reset, so I was like, okay, let's have more focus on these individual characters. And now it's like, they're not even talking about Wesley really much anymore. Like, it's really just Spike and Angel. And they're not really doing much with Spike either. Like, he just became corporeal, like, two episodes ago, three episodes ago.
[00:15:30] Speaker B: It's just the same stuff over.
[00:15:31] Speaker A: And it's the same stuff. And then Angel. Yeah, we get it. He doesn't have conviction. Okay. Something. I don't know. At this point, they're literally doing nothing with anybody. And that's what's becoming really frustrating. At least with season.
[00:15:42] Speaker B: Maybe that's the point. Maybe they're trying to be like, everyone's kind of stuck and they need to change. They need something to happen.
[00:15:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I need something to happen, man. Yeah.
[00:15:56] Speaker B: A lot of the time about.
Sometimes I do think that the way that we feel about the episodes is, like, how we're supposed to feel. Almost like it's setting the ambiance, the mood of.
They feel stuck, so we're supposed to feel stuck. I don't know.
[00:16:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:14] Speaker B: Or they're just missing the mark. I don't know.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It just. It makes it very difficult sometimes to figure out. I will say, though, I did find this episode entertaining.
There were moments where I was like, this is really stupid. But it's also really kind of funny. There are a couple moments that I was like, oh, my gosh, I wish that wasn't in here. We'll talk about that. Lindsay coming back, like, a shot of adrenaline to my arm, because I was like, holy cow, Lindsay's back. He looks so good. And I can't wait till we have Lindsay and Angel. I bet you that's gonna light a fire under Angel's little butt. He's gonna be like, oh, we are so back, baby. But I'm just like, come on, let's go. Let's get to the meat. Like, I know there's going to be good stuff coming up, but I'm just kind of like, Got to get over this hump, you know? But anyways, all right, let's jump into it. So we are have our first, I guess, dream sequence where Angels lying on the floor. Same as everything that happened in Destiny, except this time Spike's not nearly as beat up. And Angel's like, you know, coughing up blood. And he looks over and he says the same thing that he said to Spike in Destiny of, like, that's not a prize you're holding. It's not a trophy, it's a burden. And Spike's like, blah, blah, blah, give it a rest. I win, you lose. And all your talking is not going to change that. And he says, still can't accept it. It's pathetic, really. All your life's been a lie. Everything you've done, the lives you've saved, dreams of redemption, all that pain, all of it for nothing. Because this. And then he points to the cup was never about you. And then he takes it and drinks. And then we have, like, this warm light that shines on him, which, you know, very similar to what happens in. In Chosen, with the warm, like, golden light that goes on him. And then how angel combusts instead of Spike, which is very interesting imagery there.
And then angel awakes with a start, and then he's panting in his. At his desk. And then we kind of have the zoom out. He's all alone and he's kind of like, oh, yeah, okay, well, here I am once again, still in this evil law firm, not really sure what I'm supposed to be doing.
Then we cut to a strip club. Club. Because where else would Spike be watching a blonde? Of course, I was like, Spike. Anyway, so he's, like, sitting there, and then Christian Kane as Lindsay pops up. But they don't ever tell us that it is Lindsay. We just kind of are supposed to assume that it's him, right?
Spike doesn't know that. So according to Christian Cain, who is uncredited this episode, so when they aired it, they were intentionally. They were intentionally trying to misdirect, direct us and make us think, oh, it looks like Lindsay. But maybe it's not.
So, a few.
Lindsay's evil twin. It's the first appearing now to Spike.
Spike has no clue.
Apparently, a few of the extras in the strip club were big angel fans and they were leaking Kane's appearance on the Internet.
Brent Fletcher, the writer, explained that they had actually anticipated that. So while they were filming, Lindsay refers to himself as Sean instead of Doyle. And Kane redubbed his lines at the. Like, at the very end so they.
If you look at Christian Cain's lips, when he says Doyle, he's actually saying Sean. And they just dubbed over it.
Kane's like, I'm just saying Joey or whatever it was. He couldn't even remember what he was supposed to say. It was also rumored that one of the strippers who was entertaining Spike was intended to be Kate Lockley.
[00:19:51] Speaker B: But why do they keep wanting to do this with Kate? This has been a thing since, what, season three? They're like, we want to bring Kate back as a hooker.
[00:20:00] Speaker A: They really want her back as a stripper. I don't know why. I can't imagine what they were doing. I don't know.
[00:20:08] Speaker B: I just can't imagine Kate ever being that. Like, that's not a trajectory of the character that makes any sense whatsoever.
Like, what's. Why would she just become a stripper or. Or a prostitute?
[00:20:22] Speaker A: Like, she just let loose and decided to have fun. And I. I don't know. I'm very curious. If they were to do that, we would need to have some serious conversations to be like, okay, Kate, how did you get here? Because this is the antithesis of. I feel like that would be. Kate is As a character.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: Yeah, that. That would just be so weird. Spike is just sitting there, and then all of a sudden, the girl turns around and it's Kate. And then they just cut to the next scene and just never there.
[00:20:47] Speaker A: And we're like, what is going on? Yeah. Yeah, weird. So Christian Cain says this. He says, I've been wanting to come back to the show, and when they asked me to, I asked Joss for a favor. Josh said, you have to trust me. I can't tell you what's going on, but you have to trust me. I said, I trust you, anything you want, but if I could just not get beat up by everybody. Because I don't know if you remember, but back in season two, we had talked about how he was getting really tired of just having to wear these fancy suits and get beat up by everybody and how he felt like he never got to do anything cool.
So he says, I came back for the season. First episode, I'm getting thrown around a strip joint by Spike. He's beating me up. I'm doing it. And during filming, I look at Joss and go, dude, this is exactly what we talked about. The first thing I'm shooting is this. He just repeated, trust me. And sure enough, Lindsay got to kick some ass that season, so we'll be looking out for that. But also, there's a repeated Pattern of people trusting Joss and then him not doing what he says he's going to do. So it is what it is, right? Yeah. Yeah.
All right. So Lindsay, slash Doyle comes up and is like, hey, a guy like you while and away his time in some cheesy downtown strip dive. Look like somebody who's feeling kind of lost. So Spike's like, no, I know where I'm at. And the guy is like, we should talk. And Spike's like, I really don't want to. Starts to get up and walk away. And Lindsay calls him by name, says, hey, Spike, got any interesting mail lately?
[00:22:21] Speaker B: Imagine if he called him Spook. Imagine he's like, spook, come back.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: He's like, boo.
Then Spike turns around and says, who are you? And Lindsay says, your new best friend. And then Spike's like, you're responsible for bringing me back. You brought. You sent me that package. And he's like, and the amulet. He's like, you mailed that thing? And Lindsay says, we couldn't leave your spirit trapped in a bauble at the bottom of a Hell mouth, now, could we? Okay, now, could you guys just imagine, you know, Lindsay pulling up in his truck to the Hellmouth with Eve, and he's pulling out his shit digger boots. Not, you know, shit kicker boots.
[00:22:59] Speaker B: Okay, but that seems like such an impossible feet. Like, did you see Hellmouth? Did they look through all of the rubble? Where did they know where to look? Was it just like, on to Eve?
[00:23:10] Speaker A: It's like, I don't know if you've ever seen holes. He's like, I'm tired of this, grandpa. He's like, that's too damn bad.
[00:23:18] Speaker B: They have an onion for dinner.
[00:23:20] Speaker A: Imagine Eve out there trying to dig.
Now, that's. That's what happened, right?
[00:23:28] Speaker B: Like, yeah, because how else would they have gotten it out?
[00:23:31] Speaker A: They're out there digging through the entire thing of Sunnydale to find where they are.
[00:23:35] Speaker B: I think there's like, a spell that you can. It's like an Accio spell. Accio amulet.
[00:23:41] Speaker A: Yeah. He's like. He gets his wand out and it floats up over the rubble.
Honestly, these are ideal.
[00:23:50] Speaker B: Surely that's what happened.
[00:23:52] Speaker A: Well, okay, so, like, in the comics, Amy resurrects.
Amy resurrects Warren.
Skinless, flayed Warren. She goes and finds him.
[00:24:06] Speaker B: They don't even give him his skin.
[00:24:08] Speaker A: No.
Okay, okay. You just saw the. The gym posted on our Discord. The comics where Buffy and an angel have SpaceX. The person that Willow's talking to in those comics is skinned Warren, That's.
[00:24:26] Speaker B: That's weird.
[00:24:28] Speaker A: Like, I was just looking at. At Buffy and Angel.
[00:24:31] Speaker B: I was looking at all the other stuff.
[00:24:34] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'm imagining Amy. Maybe Amy helped them. Maybe Amy found it. Maybe they had a deal with her. Either way, this sounds like maybe that's what's taken them so long to recorporealize Spike. No, I guess they would have had to. No, they did all of that. Wait, what was it, like, 10 days since the hell mouth exploded?
[00:24:52] Speaker B: 15 days.
[00:24:54] Speaker A: So in that 19 days, that's when they found the amulet.
[00:24:57] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:24:57] Speaker A: Bruh, there's.
[00:24:59] Speaker B: Telling you, surely there was magic involved, because there's no way.
[00:25:04] Speaker A: This plan must have been in the works for a while, because, like, that's a lot of tattoos on Lindsay, and those are all intense tattoos.
Like.
[00:25:13] Speaker B: Yeah, but he's Lindsay, he's tough. He can do it all in one sitting.
[00:25:16] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Yeah.
[00:25:18] Speaker B: Come on.
He's stronger than Angel.
[00:25:21] Speaker A: Okay. Okay.
[00:25:24] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:25:25] Speaker A: Anyway, I just. I got a little giggle out of that and imagining him and Eve out there with their shovels. But, yeah, magic makes more sense.
So Lindsay just puffs up Spike. He's like, you know, there's a lot of folks out there that are interested in you. I really like how he has his glass and then Spike just, like, grabs it, and he's like, enough with the cryptic. I want to know who. And then he sees the tattoos. He's like. Or what you are what you want. How fast I can snap your forearm. Before you answer, Lindsay says, you can call me Doyle. Oh, this is cold. This is cold. And now, if I remember correctly, I do remember that, like, David Boreanas really didn't like the fact that they were making Lindsay out to be Doyle. I think we're gonna. I think there's probably some quotes later on that I'll find. Um, but they didn't like that. They were kind of like, sullying Doyle's name through this.
But, yeah, it makes for a really juicy plot point. I do.
[00:26:24] Speaker B: It makes sense, honestly.
[00:26:26] Speaker A: Yeah. And.
[00:26:26] Speaker B: But also, it was there sloppy on Lindsay's part, but I think he kind of. What if angel ever hears that? I think. I guess he wants to hit a nerve.
[00:26:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Because at the end of the day, like, even if he finds out, he's still puffing up Spike and it's still hurting angel, you know, for sure.
Yeah. So he's.
Let's see. Where are we? Oh, yeah, you can tell me Doyle. You can call me Doyle. But it's not what I want. It's what you want? You got your life back. Now what are you gonna do about it? And I'm like, yeah, literally, Spike, do something other than following your animalistic tendencies. Let's go. And I really like how there's Ben. We've been talking about this, but I really like the contrasting and comparisons between Spike and Angel that have been happening this season and how you could really say that they are kind of. They're each other's foils, but they're almost kind of each other's shadow side. They bring out the sides of themselves that they don't like, and they really kind of rub against each other. And I had, like, talked about this back in Buffy season three because we have, you know, Faith and Buffy and stuff. But in Jungian psychology, the shadow, or shadow aspect is a part of the unconscious mind consisting of repressed weaknesses, shortcomings and instincts. So this makes a lot of sense why Spike and Angel really get at each other's throats because they bring up the insecurities and short sightings or the shortcomings that they both feel each other has. Everyone carries a shadow, Jung writes, and the less it is embodied in the individual's conscience, life, conscious life, the blacker and denser it is. It may be ones linked to more primitive animal instincts to young the shadow. And being instinctive and irrational is prone to projection, turning a personal inferiority into a perceived moral deficiency in someone else. Which. That just sounds like Spike and Angel's relationship. And I like that they bring up the whole, like, you got your life back. Like, the whole animalistic tendencies, which is like the id, which is basically Spike in a nutshell. He just does whatever comes to him instinctually. And I think the show has been hinting at it for all season long of, like, spike, stop. Just constantly following your instincts and, like, actually use your brain and start thinking and making something of yourself. And I'm like, that. That would be wonderful if we could actually get to that point.
So now we're in the lobby of Wolfram and Hart. Wesley and Gun are having a heated discussion about what to do about some bad guys.
Wesley wants to just go and take them out immediately. Gun wants to take a little bit more time. I guess it's an evil warlock they're talking about. He wants to wait a long reversed.
Yeah. And I love this moment where he's like, we open a can of Machiavelli on his ass, and Harmony's right there. And she goes, it's Machabelli Einstein. And it doesn't come in a Can.
[00:29:18] Speaker B: I love her?
[00:29:19] Speaker A: And then they both just, like, stare at her real briefly. And then they're just like, is he in anyway? Is angel there? Like, I love how no one really takes her seriously. And so then they go into Angel's office, and Angel's completely confused as they continue to argue in front of him. And Angel's like, hey, guys, CEO right here. I'm in the dark. And so Wesley hands him a file, and it's Lucian Drake, a warlock. He's an evil warlock. An occult leader has sacrificed a ton of children, and he's apparently just like, the. The baddest of the bad. And Angel's just done with this whole morally gray stuff. As, you know, Wesley and Gun are saying, hey, if we do this, maybe, you know, we can cut off some of his alliances and his assets and, you know, we can eliminate and cause infighting and all that stuff. And Angel's like, okay, so are we doing this because it's right or because it's cost effective? They look at each other and they're like, well, a little bit of both, so. And then Angel's like, enough. Can we just get through one damn day without saying, you know, gray area? He's like, all right, explain this to me again. And I love the contrast between Angel's frustration here and then Spike's feelings of moral superiority because he feels as though he has clarity and purpose now, and how he's mirroring what angel was doing at the very beginning of this show and how Angel's kind of longing to go back to those days.
[00:30:39] Speaker B: But also, Spike is completely being manipulated, the same way that Angel's being manipulated.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: But also, I would argue that Spike is doing all of this because he's simply just trying to get under Angel's skin, and he's trying to co opt Angel's life, his destiny, all that other stuff. Lindsay knows this. And so he's pitting them against each other. Like, it's so obvious.
And is it really doing things for the right reason then? Which I would argue it's not.
[00:31:08] Speaker B: He's just doing it because he has nothing better to do and because he wants to stick it to Angel.
[00:31:14] Speaker A: Right. And this goes back to what we talked about in Destiny, where Spike is just doing good because he is trying to take, like, he's. He has shifted everything from, oh, I need to do everything for Buffy to get Buffy to love me. He's shifting it to angel because he's always looked up to Angel.
[00:31:30] Speaker B: I need to be better than Angel.
[00:31:31] Speaker A: I need to be better than Angel. I have to have Angel's life because I don't know how to create a life of my own. And it's just the same thing that Spike has always done.
So then back to the strip club. Spike has just had enough. And Lindsay's like, oh, I. I need to tell you why you came back to la. You hate the city. There's got to be a reason, right? He's like, you've got a destiny. And then Spike just, like, grabs him by the throat and is like. Like the destiny that was supposed to be at the bottom of a cup of perpetual nothing. And he's like, know so much about me. You must know I get really violent when I'm being played. It was you who sent angel and me on that wild goose chase. And I really like again, how they're using Spike as kind of an avatar for what Angel's feeling. Both side. Spike and angel are feeling a lot of the same things, but they're going back, going about it differently.
So Lindsay's like, I just don't know anything. And he goes, I just. Doing what I've been told. And he acts like he's getting really angry. He goes, them. They. And he get gestures to the sky. He says, bringing you back? Look, I'm just a guy. I'm nobody, a drifter. I was minding my own business, and then one day, wham, I start having these visions. Oh, this is so clever. This is so clever because Lindsay was there when Cordelia and Doyle and all.
[00:32:41] Speaker B: Of that manipulative little.
[00:32:44] Speaker A: But it's so fun to watch.
[00:32:45] Speaker B: I know, but like, Lindsay, really? We've stooped this low?
[00:32:51] Speaker A: Hey, as soon as angel sent him out of town, you know, Lindsay was like, I'm gonna go away. I'm gonna do good. All this stuff. And then he stopped at the first gas station.
[00:33:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:00] Speaker A: And saw the sign. And then that's when his plan began to form. And he's been. He's been. He went and got his first tattoo day.
[00:33:09] Speaker B: He's like, you know what Angel.
[00:33:12] Speaker A: Exactly. He got.
[00:33:13] Speaker B: He went Los Angeles.
[00:33:15] Speaker A: Exactly. He went to. What was it? UC Berkeley or uc, wherever Eve was at. Found the most impressionable college girl he could find and said, guess what? You're gonna work for Wolfram and hard.
[00:33:28] Speaker B: Lindsay.
[00:33:29] Speaker A: That's. Yep. That's. That's been his plan since day one.
All right. So he's like, yeah, brain pictures, they hurt. He's like, you start seeing people in trouble who need a champion. He, like, looks up at Spike from underneath his eyelashes. Flutter, flutter.
I was like, ooh, you're good, Lindsay. You're real good.
This is that. That quote I was going to tell you. So on the commentary, David Boreana says this of directing the scene between James Masters and Christian Cain.
[00:34:01] Speaker B: Oh, my God. I just realized that David Boreanas had to direct those scenes.
[00:34:05] Speaker A: Yeah, he was here directing these scenes.
[00:34:08] Speaker B: And also he's, like, really good friends with Christian Cade.
[00:34:10] Speaker A: I know.
[00:34:11] Speaker B: And James Marsters is. They all just seem like such goofballs. Wow, that must have been a very long week on set.
[00:34:18] Speaker A: Well, I mean, that's why it's in a strip club, right?
[00:34:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Makes so much sense.
[00:34:24] Speaker A: The girls are like, oh, Angel's here.
Okay, so here's the quote. David says what's great about working with actors that are so passionate about what they do is that you really get raw power out of them. In this scene, I really wanted to capture the rawness of these two characters, and James and Christian really brought that to the table. They brought the applesauce. I let them do their thing. They know what they're doing, basically. And as long as their energy's up and they're real internal with their passion, it really shows at the end here. I think that if I can get under their veins and really pump what I want to get out of them.
[00:34:55] Speaker B: Are doing a love scene.
Are they supposed to be doing a love scene? I don't understand.
[00:35:02] Speaker A: He's talking as if this scene is just like, just so raw and passionate. It's, like, broad. Like, this is no different than what I've seen. Yeah. Anyway, let me finish. She says they know what they're doing, basically. And as long as their energy's up and they're not, and they're real internal with their passion, it really shows at the end here. I think that if I can get under their veins and really pump what I want to get out of them, that I've achieved something. As far as the story is concerned, they definitely did their job in this scene. That's all he had to say. They definitely did their job. This.
[00:35:29] Speaker B: They did a great, great job. Boys.
[00:35:31] Speaker A: Word salad.
[00:35:34] Speaker B: He just said a bunch of nothing.
[00:35:36] Speaker A: Passionate. Boys.
Yeah. Pump inside. He's like, just passionate. Get under their veins and pump it out of them. Okay, David, what is going on?
[00:35:50] Speaker B: This has to be a joke, right? This has to be satire. No, he has to be trolling the interviewer.
[00:35:56] Speaker A: Him complet. Just say, like, they know what they're doing, basically. As long as the energy's up, their internal. Their passion. Energy really Shows at the end. I can pump what I want to get out.
[00:36:08] Speaker B: Like, pump it up.
The energy, of course.
The passion. More passion.
[00:36:15] Speaker A: More passion. More energy. More energy.
Oh, David, David, David Wild. Stick to acting. Pat him on his head.
[00:36:27] Speaker B: I mean, he can do directing, but just, like, don't ask him about it.
[00:36:32] Speaker A: And don't expect him to use the proper words. Use the camera. Put the thing there. Someone commented, actually, there were multiple reviews that I read that said that David Boreas must really like his face because there were a lot of close ups of him.
We're talking, like, pores, nose hair, closeness.
[00:36:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:53] Speaker A: And I didn't even think about that. But they're not even.
[00:36:55] Speaker B: It was like he did acid or something. Or mushrooms. And then decided to direct and film and everything.
[00:37:03] Speaker A: I just want to know. I. I just.
[00:37:05] Speaker B: Acid trip.
[00:37:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, we'll get to that one scene, but I just want to know what the. What the scene was like having to direct and also act in that one particular bed scene.
Oh. Anyway, all right. So Spike's like, you're barking up the wrong vampire. That's Angel's beat. Lindsay's like, angel's not in the picture anymore, all right? He's working the other side of the tracks. Nobody's out there helping the people that really need help. And then Spike's like, well, what am I supposed to do? Jump? Every time you get a vision of someone in dire peril? Lindsay's like, why do you think we're having this conversation? Like, how would you feel if the young girl that's going to be murdered tonight, you know, you didn't stop it. Can you live with that? And I'm like, I think Spike could. I think this would have worked on Spike if it wasn't something he already wanted. Like, but again, Lindsay's being smart because he's building this up as if this is something that Spike, you know, really wants for Spike. Yeah. As if it's meant.
[00:38:01] Speaker B: Sound like it's meant for Spike.
[00:38:02] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:38:03] Speaker B: And I think that's what gets Spike at the very end. It makes him feel important and that he.
[00:38:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:08] Speaker B: You know, there's a greater power that's paying attention to him.
[00:38:11] Speaker A: Right.
[00:38:12] Speaker B: And he's all about the dramatics.
[00:38:14] Speaker A: I'm trying to, like, crap on Spike because I want to give them a benefit. Benefit of the doubt. And I want to see him do things for the right reason. But I haven't seen any evidence of that at this point. Like, at this point, Spike's just doing things because he wants to bug other people or he just doesn't know what he wants. So he's just like, I guess I'll try.
[00:38:32] Speaker B: He doesn't know what else to do. That's the. He's lost. He's aimless. So he's just doing anything that kind of presents itself to him that he finds is, like, worthwhile to. For him to do.
[00:38:43] Speaker A: And that's, you know, that's his entire personality. Like, the entire. I, I cannot stress this enough. I feel like I'm, like, screaming it from the rooftops to people. But the entire point in the show of Buffy forgot this halfway through season seven. But the entire point of Spike's coat is a Persona. The Spike Persona that he puts on. Spike is constantly putting on different costumes in an attempt to try to find who he is. And so he uses other people's costumes and. Yeah. So then when he puts his coat back on in season seven is an empowering moment. Anyway, you guys will hear it. It's not. But it's supposed to be. But it's not. Anyway, oh, I just did that episode and I just. It was so funny. You got. Again, you guys will hear it. But I, like, go off on this huge rant and Leah goes. Leah's like, I, I hear what you're saying. I, I believe you. She's like, I, I, I get it. I know that it's so supposed to be bad and problematic, but I just love it.
[00:39:37] Speaker B: It's just so cool.
[00:39:38] Speaker A: And I'm like, yeah.
And I was like, you know, I can't. I can't argue with that, because at that point, you're so sick of seeing Spike in basements doing nothing, that you're just like, fine, put on the coat. Just at least be interesting again.
[00:39:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:54] Speaker A: Anyway, you, you get it.
[00:39:55] Speaker B: I don't have to watch or talk about that.
Thank God.
[00:40:00] Speaker A: Lies My Parents Told Me is speedily approaching.
Anyway, Shout out to you, Naj. We got our work cut out for us. Anyway, okay. So we cut immediately to a dark alley. This scene had me rolling. So Spike saves this girl and ends up, like, dusting the vampire. And the girl's like, thank you. Thank you. That thing was gonna kill me. He's like, well, what did you expect? Out alone in this neighborhood? I got half of mine to kill you myself. You have to. What?
[00:40:30] Speaker B: He just calls her, like, every name in the book. Just the most vile things ever.
[00:40:35] Speaker A: And he's like, I mean, honestly, what kind of. Well, yes. Says a slur wears heels like that in a dark alley. Take two steps, break your bloody ankle, and she's like, I was just trying to get home, he says. And then he, like, pushes her shoulders. We'll get a cab, you. And then he goes, stupid cow.
[00:40:52] Speaker B: What a prince. Wow. I can't believe how much Spike loves women.
[00:40:58] Speaker A: I know.
[00:40:58] Speaker B: Such a prince.
[00:40:59] Speaker A: He hate. He really does hate women, doesn't he? Doesn't he, like, hates women? I showed this to my husband, and I was like, I. This is hilarious. But. And it's also, like, completely who Spike is. But it's also trying to show how unheroic, like, he is and how he really is not doing this for good reasons. And, like, I'm just imagining Lindsay.
[00:41:22] Speaker B: He's, like, sitting victim, blaming her. Just like, well, it's your fault for being in the alley wearing those hooker heels.
[00:41:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:29] Speaker B: Stupid cow.
[00:41:30] Speaker A: Meanwhile, this girl, you know, has no control over what job she has because she has to provide for herself. Like, you just don't know what people are going through. You can't just shame them. But I'm just imagining, you know, Lindsay up there snickering, going, this. This is who.
[00:41:45] Speaker B: This is the people's hero.
[00:41:47] Speaker A: Yes.
And being like, he's spying this hook, line, and sinker.
[00:41:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:53] Speaker A: Anyway, he comes down, he's like, believe me now. Spike's like, what, your victim vision, Please. Can't throw a bloody stone in this town without hitting some bimbo in trouble.
[00:42:03] Speaker B: Oh, my God, such a piece of. Shut up, Spike.
[00:42:10] Speaker A: Such a crappy person.
Anyway, so he's like, yeah, yeah, Epic battle. My finest hour. Lindsay, you know, probably trying to suppress a smile is like, you just saved a girl's life. It's nothing to laugh off. You. He's like, though you could try to be a little nicer next time. You almost made her cry. Spike's like, next time? You mean I'm gonna have to do this again? Lindsay's like, well, that's up to you. A lot more people need saving. Spike's like, well, don't need your help. And saving people long before you showed up. Lindsay's like, not like this. You just helped a person when there wasn't anything in it for you. That's not like the Spike I know.
Okay? Meanwhile, Lindsay goes back home and just, like, belly laughs the entire time. Because he's like, this guy is just an idiot. Yeah, yeah. And then Doyle or Doyle. Well, Lindsay's like, oh, yeah, the Spike that's only out for himself. The one who does good deeds to impress women.
The pause just sells it. Just sells it. I literally wrote in my notes, not Lindsay, playing him like A fiddle. And Spike's like, you better watch yourself. He's like, I'm just saying, you did good. From what I hear, angel didn't even save the girl on her his first mission. Spike's like, what? What's angel got to do with this? And Lindsay's like, well, nothing. Not anymore.
[00:43:26] Speaker B: Lindsay. Lindsay.
[00:43:27] Speaker A: Little stinker.
[00:43:28] Speaker B: You little sneaky sneak.
[00:43:31] Speaker A: Little snake. A little snake. You know that? Tick tock. No. Yeah. He's like, little sneaky snake. Just a snake.
Anyway, whatever.
[00:43:41] Speaker B: I'll look it up.
[00:43:42] Speaker A: Why do you never understand anything I said?
[00:43:43] Speaker B: We don't have the same for you page.
[00:43:46] Speaker A: It's true. We actually really don't at all. Yeah, we don't.
Anyway. All right. So then back in Angel's office, Wesley and Gun are still arguing. Angel's watching. Fred walks in, and she's like, hey, guys, like, could you be a little quieter? I can hear you all the way out in the lobby. She gives angel the weeks lab reports. Wesley's like, hey, Fred, does Wolfram and Hart satellite have lethal capabilities? And she's like, yeah, we could eliminate a target from the air untraceably. And she's like, well, I mean, if we did that sort of thing. And she looks at angel, do we do that sort of thing? And then Angel's like, oh, no. Gone down another rabbit hole. Wesley's like, it might be the thing that we can do. We could actually do it so that no one would ever even know that it was us. And angel just, like, reaches his. His boiling point and is like, let's kill them all.
Let's kill them all. And everyone's like, hang on. What? He's like, warlocks, minions. They're all evil. Sold their kids the devil. Let's just wipe them all out. We got the power to do that. And they're like, hang on, Angel. Like, I agree. Maybe we need to, like, be a little bit more. I know. At this point. I was like, yeah, maybe we should. At this point.
He's like, let's just get back to the basics. Good versus evil. Offing the monsters, where we find them.
Gun's like, well, we have to tread lightly here. We can't afford to. And then they realize that Angel's not feeling well. He says, I'm just tired. Tells Gun to get a meeting with his best Judas to fill him out. He's like, any hint of him carrying word back to Drake, and we're going to go with Wesley's plan. We see he's got circles under his eyes. So there's like, you don't look so good. They tell him to go back up to his his rooms, that they can handle everything. If there's anything earth shattering, they'll come find him. So he goes up to his personal elevator and Wesley watches him. And we don't realize that this is kind of like a dream, Sequen, but we think that Wesley follows him in the elevator and he's like, hey, like, vampires don't get sick. And he's like, you've got a lot on your mind, but this is, you know, a little bit concerning. He's like, you know, you're probably just coming to grips with the truth that you're irrelevant. And Angel's like, wait, what? He's like, it's difficult to face. I know, Wesley says, but things could have been much worse. Spike's arrival is actually quite fortuitous. Grabs a wooden stake and says, it'll make this a lot easier. And then goes and stakes him right into the chest. And this is so believable because we know that Wesley has said multiple times that he would kill angel if he felt like he was too much of a threat.
But then, of course, we instantly cut to angel waking in his apartment and gasping and holding his chest. He wasn't staked. No one else is in the room. And he's starting to have these dreams. So now we're in a different alley. There's a man and a woman huddled behind a vampire, or behind Huddled behind a car as Spike is fighting two vampires. We have this really interesting callback to City of. Where Spike pulls out these two wooden stakes in the same way the angel did.
[00:46:38] Speaker B: Poser.
[00:46:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And completely dusts the two of them. And then he looks at the couple and is like, all right, you're safe now. They're like, what were those things? Who are you? And he goes, I'm the hero. As he goes off.
And then a hero doesn't need to say that they're a hero. Okay, Spike, I'm a hero. Subtlety, man. Subtlety.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: He literally just doesn't know.
[00:47:05] Speaker A: He has to say it. He has to say it. Makes him feel better. Yeah, he doesn't know what a hero is, so he has to spell it out for them. He's like, I'm a hero. Right, guys? Right, guys? That was heroic.
H R O. Hero.
[00:47:19] Speaker B: HRO all right, hero.
[00:47:32] Speaker A: I do like this next moment, though, because instantly we get a return of the quick flashes that we had in season one and season two. I don't know if you noticed that where it Goes, it's like flashy flashes with, like, the high pitched squeaky noises. Okay. But it happens right after that. So they're trying to be like, oh, oh, angels. Or Spike is now subverting Angel's own show. Which is kind of cool. I like that.
So then we get back to the lobby and Wesley walks up to Harmony with an envelope and is like, hey, I need you to run this to accounting. Tell them it's about the warlock situation. Harmony's like, I'm not allowed to talk to accounting without Angel's approval. I accidentally authorized a few Bath of the Month subscriptions on accident. He's like, just give them my authorization code. Have them send, like, cut a check. Send it immediately. And then she's like.
Or then Eve walks in and goes, that's the spirit. Solving problems by throwing money at them. You're starting to get the hang of this job. She says she's looking for Angel. Wesley is like, he's indisposed. And she's like, well, I need to go straight to him on this one. And she's holding, like, this, like, little rock. It's like a relic. It has symbols all over this. And she's like, you know, the senior partners are very interested in this. I don't know what it is, but I can tell that they really want it. And they want it, like, right now. Wesley convinces her to give it to him, and so she hands it over. And then Harmony runs over again and it's like, hey, so any business with the senior partners, I'm supposed to tell angel immediately, especially if it has runes on it. And I'm supposed to not read the runes because last time I set things on fire. Poor Harmony. The amount of rules this guy has given her to remember. She's, like, stressed out of her mind.
[00:49:05] Speaker B: But she's such a good sport. Like, and she looks so hot while doing. I'm gonna do it. She does look very beautiful. Beautiful, actually.
[00:49:12] Speaker A: Everything that she wears is, like her color. I don't know how.
[00:49:15] Speaker B: Vampire Barbie.
[00:49:16] Speaker A: She really is. Yeah, Vampire Barbie.
So back in Angel's room, he's, you know, his shirt's getting further and further unbuttoned, he's groaning in bed and feverish Fred comes in and is like, don't worry, I know what to do. This is just the weirdest scene. All of a sudden, Angel's in his bed, but now, like, we're in Fred's science laboratory. She's wearing her coat. We have several, like, snaps of the gloves as she grabs a scalpel and Digs into his chest, pulls out items. So much stuff. His liver, his kidneys, his tiny little shriveled up walnut heart. And then she's like, oh, hey. And then she pulls out beads, puts them on. Then a raisin, eats that. Pulls out a license plate, which is a reference to Jaws. And then she goes, oh. And pulls that out. Fishbowl half filled with water. The goldfish looks like it's, like, dead. And then it's. The water is all, like, murky, and she's like, oh, your soul. We're gonna have to flush this.
[00:50:17] Speaker B: That's his soul.
[00:50:20] Speaker A: It's like a little goldfish. So sad, that.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: Is that how angel sees his soul? It's just like a tiny little goldfish.
[00:50:30] Speaker A: A tiny little goldfish swimming around. Gotta clean the water out every once in a while or the goldfish will die.
[00:50:36] Speaker B: Maybe the goldfish is actually meant to be Angelus. And the bull is the soul.
[00:50:42] Speaker A: The bowl is the soul. Yeah.
Swimming around in there. He's polluting the water.
She, like, pulls it out, and there's little Angelics. That would be really funny.
[00:50:54] Speaker B: And you pull it out. That's why he killed Willow's goldfish.
[00:50:59] Speaker A: Yeah, right. I was a goldfish. And Angel Sakara, there could only be one.
He, like, strung all the fishies together out of spite. He's like, don't want to see another fish ever again.
[00:51:13] Speaker B: Yeah. He's like. He's got, like, trauma, PTSD from being a goldfish himself.
[00:51:17] Speaker A: That's his trigger instead of Spike's song. Every time he sees a goldfish, he just, like, snaps.
So funny.
So then Fred's like, huh? I can't seem to find anything wrong with you, she says, except that you're just. Just. You're empty. There's nothing left. Just a shell. And then she calls into his chest. And then we cut back and see the angels. Feverish. There is actually no Fred because, you know. I know. We were all shocked that Fred would pull a goldfish bowl out of his chest and hand it to a bear. She's like, there you go, bear.
[00:51:49] Speaker B: So weird. What does the bear have to do with anything?
[00:51:52] Speaker A: This is the thing with Restless. It was weird, but there was an intentionality behind the weirdness. Like, there was a reasoning behind it. And if there wasn't a reasoning, you could insert your own meaning onto it with this. What am I doing? Like, what am I gonna do with this? Like, it literally was just nonsense for nonsense sake.
[00:52:10] Speaker B: You know, it's just random stuff.
[00:52:13] Speaker A: Yeah, it's funny, but it also. It Tells me nothing.
[00:52:16] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:52:17] Speaker A: So then in Wesley's office, he's showing the relic that Eve gave him to Fred and is like, I'm not really sure what else to do with this gun. Comes in and says, hey, we've been getting reports of a vigilante prowling the streets at night. A vampire, apparently. Wesley's like, angel never left his penthouse. I don't know. They. They've only completely forgotten about Spike at this point. Then they read it says, vigilantity reportedly killed two vampires at a gas station, then asked the women he saved if they'd quote, like to get a bottle of hooch and listen to some Sex Pistols records with him. That should have been. That should have been the indicator that it was Spike. I don't know why they were not like, oh, man, I wonder who this is. And then they read the description. Medium build, black leather coat, platinum blonde hair. And they're like, we know who this is.
So we're in a basement apartment, and Lindsay shows him in and is like, this is your place. Again, a complete, like, reversal of what happened in season one. He's like, you got a sewer entrance for your daytime travel? Spike complains about the cable. Lindsay's like, you've got water, electricity, heating, all the basics. Even a Korean market on the corner, open all night. Spike's like, look, I appreciate what you've done for me, making me corporeal and all, but I draw the line at being your kept boy.
[00:53:32] Speaker B: What does that even mean? Spike? Why does he never have one ounce.
[00:53:37] Speaker A: Of, like, pulling him up so that he can have sex with him?
[00:53:40] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
But I just feel like Spike just doesn't have a single grateful bone in his body. He's just always like, more, more. I don't like this. Give me more of this.
[00:53:52] Speaker A: This.
[00:53:53] Speaker B: I want this. I want that.
[00:53:55] Speaker A: I. And here's the thing. Like, we obviously know what Lindsay's doing because we see from his perspective and all that stuff. But, like, imagine if we didn't see Lindsay's perspective, and given the context of everything that happened in season one and two and all the tension between Lindsay and Angel, you're like, imagine. Lindsay's like, fine, I'll create my own Angel.
He's like, here you go. Just. Just put on. It'll never pretend like your Angel.
[00:54:21] Speaker B: It's a cheap imitation, literally. And a terrible one at that.
[00:54:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Lindsay's like, well, you could say thank you. I do like that. Lindsay is dressed just like Doyle was in the first season. He's got the brown Leather jacket, just like Doyle did. Spike's like, great. Another ruddy basement. That is actually kind of fair, because this man has been in every single person's basement ever. Like, that's where he should stay is living basements.
[00:54:48] Speaker B: He doesn't belong in the upstairs part of the house.
[00:54:51] Speaker A: Apparently, the kitchen cabinets and most of the furniture in Spike's new apartment were also used in Angel's basement in season one, as well as in his. Wow.
[00:54:59] Speaker B: He can't even get his own appliances.
He can't even get his own furniture.
[00:55:05] Speaker A: Hey, dumpster diving. Doyle over here went and dug through.
[00:55:10] Speaker B: The helmet himself in Buffy Season five. He was literally knees deep in the trash when Toth was on the loose.
[00:55:20] Speaker A: This just shows how dedicated Lindsay is to being authentic. He went and tracked down all of Angel's furniture that was also blow up. It did. But apparently that's Lindsay's specialty over here. He likes to go and get stuff.
[00:55:35] Speaker B: That was blown up.
[00:55:37] Speaker A: Yeah, he's actually a mole now.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: Oh, wow. A raccoon, perhaps. He's a raccoon.
[00:55:44] Speaker A: He's, like, digging through things.
[00:55:47] Speaker B: Also, raccoons have weird hands. Let's not talk about they do.
[00:55:50] Speaker A: They look very humanoid, almost like. Yeah, because they can, like, open things. Yeah, it's very weird. Back to Lindsay. He's like, you know, you want comfort, go to Wolfram and Hart. This place is everything you need to be a hero. The job requires somewhat of a Spartan existence, which is interesting because that's the same thing that Gwendolyn Post said to Faith when she saw her hotel room. And then Spike's like, you say you think that's a bed, and, you know, he's just, like, complaining about everything. And Lindsay's like, well, you're not going to be sharing it with anyone anytime soon.
Yeah, yeah. Take them down a notch or three.
Send an Angel's bedroom.
Why is this scene here?
It's like, you know, Will Smith, get Buffy's name out of your mouth. Like, why? Please, God. Okay.
Angel wakes up and hears people having sex right next to him and turns in.
[00:56:43] Speaker B: It's disgusting.
[00:56:44] Speaker A: Spike having sex with not Buffy, but Buffy. I blocked this scene out completely until I started watching it. Then I was like, oh, my gosh. Could you imagine James and David Boreanis filming this scene? How awkward. Also, I have watched Buffy too much that I can totally tell that's not Sarah Michelle Geller because of the hands. It doesn't look like Sarah Michelle Geller's hands at all.
So then Spike says, keep it down, mate. You've got something on your shirt there. Every single person mentions something about Angel's shirt. Buffy, you know, says, every time I say the word prom, you get grouchy. And this. Both her lines are taken from the prom when angel had said, you deserve more. You deserve something outside of demons and darkness. Someone who can make love to you. So this is again, striking out an insecurity here. And so Angel's like Buffy trying to, like, look over. And Spike says, won't be long now. He's like, you're taking Buffy to the prom?
[00:57:41] Speaker B: He's like, I thought we were supposed to be going.
[00:57:45] Speaker A: And then you hear Buffy say, can you say jumping the gun? I kill my goldfish. I like that they took that line because the idea of his soul, oh, so sad.
[00:57:56] Speaker B: But also, leave Buffy's his name out of your goddamn mouth. Show.
[00:58:02] Speaker A: Please stop. This is so disgusting. Anyway, we all know what happens, though.
[00:58:07] Speaker B: It is an insecurity that angel has when it comes to Spike, that Spike got to have Buffy physically.
[00:58:17] Speaker A: That's true. And it calls back to the prom where angel was kind of like, you can't have all those things with me. So, like, children, all that stuff. So it. It does work, but, ugh. Yeah. So angel wakes up and he realizes he's all alone. He, like, sighs with relief. He's like, oh. So then in the lobby of Wolfram and Heart, angel comes out wearing the same shirt he wore the previous day. And Fred's like, oh, how are you feeling? Maybe you should put on some shoes. He looks down, realizes that his feet are bare. And then she's like, hey, you should, you know, come with me. And we're gonna go somewhere. And he looks over and sees Gun, who's really excited. And then they go over to this movie theater style refreshment stand Harmony's desk would normally be, but it's now got popcorns and drinks. And he follows Fred and Gun into Angel's office where everyone is sitting there as if they're in the theater. And they're looking out the windows. And he realizes that they're staring at a fiery downtown Los Angeles. And he's like, oh, my gosh, it's the apocalypse. He's like, I have to do something. I have to get out there. Wesley's like, don't worry. Spike will take care of it. You should go back to bed. Lauren again mentions that he should put on some clean clothes, that he's got something on his shirt. Angel looks down. There's a bloody stake sticking out of his. And then we cut to Angel's bedroom where he's dreaming. And then we zoom in on his chest and there's like this slimy creature feeding on angel in the same place where the stake was in his dream. I hate any alien esque stuff. Disgusting.
And then back in the lobby now we have Fred holding a cake that's decorated with a scene of downtown LA with the words way to go Spike. And everyone's singing He's a Jolly Good Fellow. And they're like, oh my gosh, Spike, it's so stupid. They're like, Spike, you saved us and give us a speech. And you, you know you rescued everyone from the apocalypse. And he's like, I'm just a working class bloke fulfilling his destiny. It was nothing. And then Angel's like in the background looking all meek and like wearing like the dopiest like little like not costume but like little shirt and everything. With a tie that's like too short and everything. And Fred's like, nothing. Spike, you single handedly ended Armageddon and turned the world into a beautiful happily ever after Candy mountain place where all our dreams come true. And then they all gesture towards the window and do like a little shuffle.
[01:00:30] Speaker B: Can I just say this is literally when I read stuff online that people say about Spike. This is like almost word for word how people talk about Spike on the Internet.
[01:00:42] Speaker A: Because I think they take this as.
[01:00:43] Speaker B: Like laughing so hard at how accurate this is. Like I'm pretty sure I've seen somebody say exactly this on the Internet.
[01:00:52] Speaker A: It was so ridiculous. They have like this superimposed castle right there.
[01:00:59] Speaker B: Of course they're singing all fairy tale esque.
[01:01:01] Speaker A: The little like shuffle they all do as they're like gesturing over to it. So then they're like, it's so beautiful and now it's time for your reward. And Spike's like, but I didn't do this for a reward. And gun's like, well that's why you're getting one. And everyone oohs and Oz is a blue face fairy gets like carted into the room and then she gives him the like grants him his wish of becoming a real boy. And then angel watches with like confused disappointment. So ridiculous. Spike breathes in, touches his chest and goes my heart. And then all the lights just go ding and turn on.
And then we turn over and we see angel touching his chest wistfully. And then Fred says, you're human Spike. You're alive. And everyone like listens to his heart and hip hip hooray. And then angel looks down at his chest, where he's holding a hand over his still heart. His outfit has changed from suave CEO style to short sleeve button up. Geek chic is what the script says. Even his tie is too short. He's standing besides the mail cart, just like number five, consigned to his fate. Angel turns away slowly, sadly, and pushes the mail cart down the hallway. Leia, did you recognize the music in this scene?
[01:02:10] Speaker B: I did, and it was weird. I was like, why are they playing this music?
[01:02:13] Speaker A: They're playing the music from Buffy and Angel being in bed together. And I will remember you. Isn't that so funny? Yeah.
[01:02:21] Speaker B: Why?
[01:02:21] Speaker A: Because it's supposed to be. It's supposed to reminisce. The moment that angel felt his soul or his heart beating. Like, he touches his heart. It's supposed to be him remembering that moment.
[01:02:33] Speaker B: Oh, my God, that hurts.
[01:02:35] Speaker A: Yeah, it does hurt. Like, the music and how. Like that. It's everything that he wanted.
Yeah.
[01:02:41] Speaker B: That's a good sound.
[01:02:42] Speaker A: That was him remembering back to that moment.
[01:02:44] Speaker B: Oh, my God, my heart.
[01:02:46] Speaker A: I know. I actually started crying during this scene when the music starts playing. Because that was. Because that's everything that he wants. And it's showing that, like, they haven't talked about Buffy and the Sean shoe and all that stuff until this season. But it's showing that deep down, that's still really what he wants. Like, that's. That's everything that he desires.
[01:03:03] Speaker B: That makes me sad. Yeah, I was. I was like, I recognize this music. And then it kept going and I'm like, wait a minute. It is this not the music that was playing when, like, Buffy and Angel are laying in bed, like, after the ice cream scene. That scene where it's, like, dark around them and the spotlight is on them, on the bed, and they just look, like, beautiful and, like, flushed. And she's like, thump, thump. That's a great sound. And she's like, we're gonna make another one like it tomorrow. And then they.
[01:03:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And she's the happiest she's ever felt. Yeah. Right? Because it turns. It starts as soon as everyone starts listening to his chest and the heart and everything like that. Yeah. It's a clear callback to I will remember you. That is just devastating because. Okay, here's the thing. There's a parallel, right, We've talked about it. To the fact that only angel can remember that day with Buffy. And only angel can remember what happened with Connor. Angel's carrying a lot of stuff that he cannot share with anybody else. And he's Doing it because it's the right thing to do. But it's no wonder he's feeling disenfranchised with everything because he's going, I'm giving up. I'm giving up. I'm giving up all this stuff. And I'm so exhausted and I'm so tired and I don't even know if I'm doing the right thing anymore. And yeah, like, it's one thing to give it all up and know that you're doing it for the right reason, but now all of a sudden, he doesn't even know if he is doing this for the right reason. So he's going, all of that sacrifice, am I just throwing that away too? Like, I don't even have, like, the destiny to look forward to.
[01:04:33] Speaker B: Like, right?
[01:04:34] Speaker A: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
[01:04:36] Speaker B: It does. Oh, that's so sad.
[01:04:39] Speaker A: It is devastating. So back in Spike's crusty old apartment, he opens the door to find a frowning Gun in Wesley. This is really interesting because it feels like a reversal of Spike with Lindsay in season one, where you would have the lawyers show up to angel in his. Either his apartment or in the Hyperion. And you kind of have like this interesting conversation where Gun says, you know, just a little concerned. You don't call, you don't write. What's your angle? Last time we saw you, you're booking a one way to the continent. And then Wes is like, sounds like you've been busy. Like, it's very low key threatening. And they're like, hey, we're watching you. We know what you've been doing. Like, we had our psychics follow up on you. One of the advantages of the corporate teach. And from what you, from what we hear, you're fighting the good fight these days. Like, it's, it's low key threatening. We figure that's our territory. Which is an interesting line to give Gun, given the whole, like, him peeing on everything in Life of the Party, where Lauren's like, hey, you know, you need to stake out your territory, all that stuff. And like, then we have the cat eyes later on.
But yeah, I just thought it was very interesting because of everything with Lindsay in season one. So Spike's like, you know, you guys are hurt that I'm stepping on your toes. And they're like, if you want to save the world, we've got the resources to help you do it. And Spike says, no offense, Mr. Vader, but I've got no itch to join the evil empire. Gun says, it's different. You know, It. We've changed things. Spike's like I told angel, and I'll tell you, a place like that doesn't change. Not from the inside, not from the out. You sign on there, it changes you. Puts things in your head, spins your compass needle until you can't cross the street without tripping the proverbial old lady and stepping on her glasses. And it's not like I wasn't there, gents. Like, I wasn't watching. You had to haunt the place, remember? And then they're like, it's not that cut and dry. And he's like, what do you want me to do? Put on a suit and come play with you? So in Spike's mind, he's going, oh, you want me to put on a costume? You want me to change who I am? But he doesn't realize that what he's doing is still putting on a costume. Still. Yeah, it's still the same thing. Like, it's very clever how they're pointing out the hypocrisy here for both sides.
[01:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:06:53] Speaker A: And then he points out that angel wouldn't sign off on that, and then realizes that angel doesn't know that they're there. And so he's like, hedging our bets, are we, boys? And so I think there's a couple things they could be doing. They're supposedly framing it as if Wes and Gun are making sure Spike doesn't toe out of line. Or the show is inferring that Wes and Gun are trying to make sure they have Spike on their side in case something goes wrong with angel and angel goes evil. So there's a lot of like. Like gray here that we're not quite sure about.
Yeah. And it is really satisfying to watch Spike feel morally superior to angel now that he's beat him in destiny and watch him be so thoroughly manipulated because he's. He. He's mocking angel, but he's really doing the exact same thing.
So then we cut to Eve's apartment. Lindsay and her are kissing and talking about their evil, evil plans and how it's all working super duper great. And they allude to this box, that there's gonna do even more evil and everything. And I'm just like, why are they having sex in the middle of the day when Eve needs to be keeping everyone distracted from Angel? Like, I would think she'd be at the office doing more. But whatever. It is what it is, we just need to be reminded that they're both evil and they're in the same plan or on the same team have the same plans. So then back in the lobby, Wesley and Gun come out of the elevator and across the lobby. And Fred's like, hey, did you talk to Spike? What did he say? They're like, oh, you know, stuff. Apparently, we're not good enough for him that thinks that we sold out. And then they're like. You know, when you say things like, we are changing the system from the inside, it sounds really naive. Fred's like, shouldn't we talk to Angel? And they're like, why would we talk to Angel? You know that Spike's now basically formed his own investigation and, like, is now pitted against us. And then Fred's like, hang on. Have we not even heard from him today? So she goes out to the lobby to go talk to Harmony and say, hey, can you call up angel and find out how he's doing? And we cut to Angel's bedroom. The phone is ringing. He's still asleep and dreaming. And in his dream, we have Lauren sitting, like, old Western style, like, all dressed up. Up with suspenders and a mustache. Mustache. And standing at a piano.
And then Fred is like, okay, there's. Or Harmony's like, there's no answer to the phone. She's like, we can leave a message. And then Harmony's like, hang on, I'm gonna go check. Or not. Harmony, sorry. Fred goes, I'm gonna go check on him. Eve, seeing this, cuts her off and is like, hey, I really, really need you to check out that relic. The senior partners are, like, breathing down my neck. And then Fred's like, okay. So she takes off and goes after investigating the relic, and then back up in Angel's bedroom. Still in his dream, Lauren is playing My Darling Clementine and Harmony serving him drinks. Lord and Harmony would be in the same dream. So funny.
[01:09:48] Speaker B: It's very fitting.
[01:09:49] Speaker A: He's like, all right, angel. Like, how about you sing for me? And then angel tries to sing, and then nothing comes out. And then we see that. That Fred, Gun and Wes are watching. And Fred's like, I told you he was empty. And Wesley says, yes, but this is ridiculous. We paid good money for this. We paid blood for this. And then Lauren says, crowds turning on you, sport? We see Gun snarling, revealing his silver cat eyes, which I'm like, I wish. Like, I want to know more about this. What does that mean? Like, we haven't really gotten much of anything about Gun to, like, know the significance of this, other than.
[01:10:25] Speaker B: I think it's supposed to mean that, like, Gun has been completely taken over by Wolfram and Hart. Like, it's. He's the person who's in direct contact with the cat in the white room.
[01:10:37] Speaker A: Yeah. Maybe the most influenced and stuff.
[01:10:39] Speaker B: Yeah, he's been the most. Kind of. Like, he's drank the most Kool Aid out of all of them.
[01:10:44] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
[01:10:46] Speaker B: From welcome and Heart.
[01:10:47] Speaker A: It would be nice if we could get more out of that, but. Yeah.
So then angel kind of thinks that he's still dreaming. And then Eve's there and she says, you're really suffering, aren't you? Lauren says, you still got that thing on your shirt? Angel looks down, sees this creature. And then all of a sudden, he's awake, or he doesn't realize he's awake, but he pulls it off, squishes it. And then Eve is in his room with the box, and she says, wow, you killed Junior. And she says, I'm dreaming. I'm not really here. The dream's almost over. And then she opens the box, and all of a sudden there's like, this huge, big blue creature, the same sword as before.
And I'm like, wow, this girl has a lot of faith that it's going to go after angel and not actually after her.
Apparently, there were two main props of the parasite. One was crafted out of a spongy material with some slime on it. And then the other one had a full animatronic, and it cost them $85,000.
[01:11:45] Speaker B: And you couldn't even really see it that well.
[01:11:47] Speaker A: Well, and there. There was a reason for that. David Boreana says that he resorted to filming as little of the costly prop as possible because he felt it was too goofy looking. And the cheaper sponge prop actually worked better. He wouldn't have used it at all if it wasn't for the fact that it cost $85,000.
[01:12:05] Speaker B: That's crazy. What a waste of the money.
[01:12:07] Speaker A: So much money. Yeah, right. Yeah.
So Angel's still in a weakened state. He's groaning and panting in his bed as Eve watches the big blue creature crawl up his body. And then he tries to. He ends up, like, knocking the creature off the bed. Then he falls out of bed and is crawling across the floor trying to get to the phone inside of Spike's apartment. He, like, comes back from picking up some beer, and Lindsay's sitting on his couch. And Spike's annoyed to see him and is like, I didn't think I was going to have a babysitter or a roommate. And Lindsay's like, hey, I. You know, this would go a lot Smoother if you. And then suddenly has a fake vision. And he's like, oh, you're gonna need to, like, do something about this one. Cut to Angel's bedroom. He's crawling across, trying to get to the phone. Can't get to it. The creature crawls on his chest. And all of a sudden, we're now in another dream sequence of angel sitting outside in the sunny grassy meadow in a comfy leather chair. Fred's coming. And with Wes and Gun and Lauren, they're all dressed up, like, super, like, flowy and springtimey and happy. And they're like, you can stay as long as you like. Like, stay forever. This idea of, like, the perfect family. He's out in the sunshine. They said, it's fine. We've got it covered. And Angel's like, but I'm not supposed to be here. Lauren says, no fighting, Angel Heart. Time to let freedom ring. Let yourself go. Angel says, but I'm not finished. Wesley says, you are if you want to be. And then all of a sudden, Fred starts, like, screeching. And then Wesley and then Gun and Lauren. Cut to Spike reaching down in the real world, grabbing the blue creature off of Angel's chest, pulling it off of him and throwing it across the room, smashing it into a wall and killing it. And then Angel's, like, coming to and is, like, Spike. And Spike says, no need to thank me, Just helping the helpless.
[01:13:49] Speaker B: Oh, shut up, Spike.
[01:13:50] Speaker A: Oh, rough salt in the wound.
[01:13:54] Speaker B: Seriously.
[01:13:56] Speaker A: So later on, Wesley's walking out of the bathroom, cleaning his hands on a hand towel, talking to Angel, Fred, Gun and Lauren in the living room. He says it was a Cellminth parasite. Its teeth inject an anesthetic, making the host oblivious to its presence. You'd never know it, would you, had it on you. That it, you know, pumps neurotoxins in the body, causing paralysis hallucinations and fever dreams. And Eve's right there watching all this. And Angel's like, it seemed real. All of it. He tells them all what happened. At one point, he says to Lauren, you called yourself honky tonk. Tried to get me to sing. And Lauren's face is like. As he looks over at Gun, like, horrified. Can you believe this? Why would I do that?
This is crazy.
So then they're like, you know, if the parasite was continuing to pump its toxins and toxins into angel, he would have been stuck in a permanent vegetative state. Lauren's like, good thing Swike swooped. Spike called him Psych. Good. Good thing Spike swooped in and saved the day. How did he even know you were in trouble? Angels, like, didn't say. Gun's like, what I want to know is how that thing got in here in the first place. Place. And then angel looks at Eve and says, you. You brought it. And she's like, me? And he says, you were here. She tries to deny it, saying it was sweet that she had a cameo in his dreams. And he's like, no, you put the big one on me after I killed the other one. Wesley's like, there only was one. But Angel's certain. And he's like, no, Eve, you changed your clothes. And she's like, yeah, I do that sometimes. But he's like, no, you didn't change your earrings. You were wearing them in my hallucinations, and I haven't seen you for days. These. Eve's like, I've worn them before. And then Fred jumps in and is like, yeah, you did change your clothes, and I've never seen those earrings before today. So then everyone gets suspicious, gets up and approaches her as Eve continues to deny, which is like, guys, this man has. What is it, like a photographic memory? If he says that he has never seen your clothes before and has seen those earrings before, then I would believe him. So Angel's like, I don't think the senior partners would have given me the reins if they meant to turn me into a vegetable. What do you think the partners will do to you when they find out about your extracurricular activities? Eve continues to play it cool. Is like, so things aren't going your way and you're looking for someone to blame outside of your circle. And she walks to the elevator, and just as it shuts, she says, here's a thought. Why don't you try looking inward? Unless you don't like what you see.
[01:16:21] Speaker B: Woohoo.
[01:16:23] Speaker A: And then we close in. The gang looking very, very pissed. And this shot looks like Angel's kind of superimposed in front with the gang behind him. And I think it's kind of meant to show, like, their separation, but rough. But at least we know Eva's. Well. I mean, not that they didn't know Eve is evil, but at least they're starting to catch.
[01:16:44] Speaker B: Catch the vibes.
[01:16:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And catch her in the act, too.
[01:16:48] Speaker B: Yeah, but.
[01:16:50] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's sole purpose. I'm so excited for the next episode. No, it is my. I think it might be my favorite episode of the series.
[01:17:03] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[01:17:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:17:05] Speaker B: Damn. Okay. Okay.
[01:17:06] Speaker A: Yeah, it's pretty great.
[01:17:08] Speaker B: It's one of my favorites for sure. It's a really good episode. Yeah.
[01:17:12] Speaker A: Very, very excited.
[01:17:13] Speaker B: I'm excited to re. Watch it and see what my thoughts will be.
[01:17:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm just ready to like, get into the season. Like, let's get into the nitty gritty of things. Let's actually, like, move forward with Spike and with Angel. And I think this episode is a turning point. Like, a turning point in the sense that, like, they're really. They're ready to move forward.
This was very much a. Hey, guys. This is what's happened. And now we're gonna springboard into the next.
[01:17:38] Speaker B: Honestly, I felt like outside of this episode, I feel like the first half of the season, or. I mean, it's not even the half at this point, but, yeah, not yet. What we've seen so far has been. I think the pacing has been okay. It hasn't been like. Like too slow or too fast. It's just kind of been good with the exception of this episode that I feel is just a little bit necess. Unnecessary in general. Like, I wish. I really do wish that this episode could have been something else because I feel like it was kind of a. A waste a little bit.
But otherwise, I. I don't know. I've been enjoying it.
[01:18:18] Speaker A: Yeah, it's been entertaining to watch. I think. It's just. Just for me, it's been a lot of review and catch up, I think. And it's really. It really feels like it's geared towards people who are watching the show for the first time or who need a refresher on who Spike is. I think it's slightly more repetitive for me just because I'm also doing Buffy season seven. Right. So I'm like, oh, my gosh. Because we're so heavily focused on Spike in both of those seasons, it just feels like a lot of review right now.
But, yeah, other than this episode, I really have been enjoying most of these episodes. Episodes for sure. But yeah, so excited for the next one. So, so excited.
[01:18:52] Speaker B: Definitely.
[01:18:53] Speaker A: But. All right, guys, let us know your thoughts on this episode. Do you guys find this entertaining? Do you find it kind of stupid? What do you guys think about Lindsay and Spike's dynamic? What do you guys think about all of the little nods to Buffy and the Sean Shoe and then the comparisons with Spike and Angel?
Yeah. Yeah. There's not a lot that happens, but I do feel like it is kind of setting us up for the next half of the season, really. So, as always, guys, thank you so much for listening and we will talk to you next time. Thanks so much for listening to Investigating Angel. If you enjoyed this podcast, feel free to follow, subscribe and review us on all platforms. You can also find us on Instagram @ InvestigatingAngel podcast and you can email us@ InvestigatingAngelpodcastmail.com.
